An ongoing conversation

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Documentary for English Al Jazeera shows US military chaplains in Afghanistan coaching soldiers how to violate the spirit of General Order Number One while maintaining plausible deniability.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia/2009/05/2009542250178146.html

My response to this after some wrote supporting these practices of erzatz "missionaries" in the field, is as follows:

The top brass should have some people's guts for garters for this crap!!

But the top brass might be part of the problem!

I wrote about this and talked of it on my show, it's pure double distilled purple poison to do this in the field, as contested as things are now, it's just plain criminally stupid!!

Someone else's follow up: Yeah, I agree, because the word of god is so insidious, hateful, and damaging to those whos lives are heavily subsidized by American taxpayers.

Obvious in it's content.

One more response from me: If some body wants to evangelize people they should not, (one) counsel the direct disobedience to standing orders. (two) do so in a place such as A stan or Iraq where the indegenous people look at us as possible religious conquerers. And our enemies there use this issue to justify their attacks on us.

This is dangerous to our troops!! ALL of our troops, as it makes no difference where they are, they are subject to more aggresive resistance by the indigenous people to our presence.

When you are trying to passify peoples, it is best not to pee in their cereal!!

T

A response from another; Dear Readers,
Please, don't you care about the souls in Afghanistan for whom the Christ died? Have you seen the abysmal statistics for that G-d forsaken land? Have you read Afgan history?
If you are short of time, just pick up a Henty book.
Hasn't Afghanistan suffered long enough?
You question the place of Christianity in the U.S.A. Our Founding Fathers did not. Here are some quotes:


My response to all who participated; "I ask you again...don't you care?"

Of course I care!! Don't you??

Before you approach someone about questions of faith, you MUST first ascertain if they want to hear it!!

To go into a contested society and start to "spread the word", for want of a better term, you had best determine if it will get you, or others, killed!!

Now, once the conflict has ended and cooler heads prevail, THEN you can talk religion....IF, that is IF, they want to hear it!! AND!! After you have PROVED your intentions and actions as a good Christian should, so they approach you wanting what it is you have, not the other way around.

Otherwise respect their choices and leave it alone!!

This is why Christians have such a reputation as arrogant azzes!! We assume everybody is hell bound if they are not one of us. When our own book tells us, "They who have never heard My Name serve Me, and their names are written in the book of life." SO, if God has a problem with them, HE will fix it NOT you.

Now I am an ordained Christian Minister and a good one, not to be falsly humble, but I would NEVER make someone feel their religion is not as good as mine.

That kind of thinking, you keep to yourself!! Down that road lies madness, injury and death, for millions!! Always has, always will!!

Rev. Bruce.....Tawodi.

Now as can be readily seen, we have a problem with our own people doing things that endanger our troops, our selves and the WORLD with this behaviour. PLEASE, if you know people who are doing these things, prosylatising the unwilling, or those in contested areas, tell them the danger they are facing and exposing others to.

Yes, we as Christians are supposed to spread the word of the Gospel, but we are NOT to actively seek death for our selves and others while we do it!!

Reverend Bruce...................Tawodi.....T.P.O.A.

Time to do the mission!!

This is a time for reflection on our mission as members of, The People
of Abraham.

We see from the news that a great conflagration is raging with
increasing loss of life and displacement of peoples around the region
of the Holy land.


As The People of the Books, we owe our brothers and sisters who are
caught up in this clash of arms, the offer of solace and support no
matter who they are, or what faith they follow.


We as people of peace will face a test in this time of chos and
tumult. That test will be staying true to our course and calling for
peace no matter who may be at fault in this current clash.


Hundreds of years of war MUST BE STOPPED!! The cycle of death MUST
END!!
It is the INNOCENT who pay the greaatest price, for the hatred of
others. The women, children and men, who just want to live, and find
safety, in the homes and countries where they live, suffer the
greatest.


I am sending you, as members, the request, that you take the time and
effort to send to the leaders of Israel the fervent prayer for their
peace, but also to remind them that killing of the innocent, no matter
who does it IS WRONG!!


Also, the leaders of Hamas should be apprised of this fact, There is
no "right" in killing of the innocent, It is a perversion of what ever
faith you follow. This will be followed by other requests of the same
nature. Be strong, pray hard for God to prevail over the foolishness
of men!!
Be well friends,.......Reverend Bruce

A SHIFT IN FOCUS, AND OUTREACH??

The Nation of Islam, today announced that they are inviting hundreds of religious leaders tomorrow to a rededication of the historic Mosque Maryam, Which is in Chicago Illinois.
Minister Farrakhan is sceduled to speak.

The Nation of Islam purchased the former Greek Orthodox Church, in 1972 and has since been making renovations. The stately 1948 building, with a golden dome and topped with an Islamic crescent moon is alao adorned with Qu'ranic Verses in Arabic on the outside.

This event comes just weeks after the death of Imam W.D. Mohammed, the son of Nation Founder Elijah Muhammad, who broke with the group, bringing thousands of African Americans closer to mainstream Islam.

This is deemed by some, to be a conscious move to open the Mosque to the community and the community, to be reddicated to Islam.

With Malcolm X's Haj and his return to this country years ago, he was awakened to the cross- cultural and multi-racial aspects of Islam which is exclusionary to none.
There is a Latin liason outreach program, firmly in place. Also Minister Ishmael Muhammad a top assisting Minister of the Mosque, and a possible successor to Farrakhan, has talked about unity between ALL people, even at times speaking in spanish.

Farrakhan has tried to slowly bring the Nation of Islam movement closer to the mainstream of Islam. The major impediment being that Elijah Muhammad, was considered by many to be a prophet. Orthodox Islam teaches that there has been no prophet since Muhammad, in the seventh century. Also in the passing of years, he has worked to ameliorate, or remove altogether, some of the facets of the movement that are controversial with other beliefs, and Islam itself.

Tomorrow's address will mark the second major address this year and is expected to outline some of the goals and co-operative efforts toward reconciliation between the nation of Islam, Orthodox Islam, and other faiths represented in the community in which the Mosque, and the Nation, calls it's headquarters

His age of 75 is thought by some, to be the motivating factor in his increasing efforts to establish an aura of peace and reconciliation, between all people.

As one of the co-founders of The People of Abraham I applaud, as does Mr. Robert Salaam, this erstwhile effort of peace, and pray that it will be nurtured by his, and ALL, followers of Islam and all other religious structures around the world.

Copyrighted Oct.18 2008. Free use and disemination is encouraged and welcomed, in the interest of peaceful relations of all, world wide. Rev. Bruce Holzrichter Sr. Tree of The Mustard Seed Ministries. Dennisport Ma. 02639

"Obsession", with hatred

The following article appears at Robert Salaam's blog The American Muslim. As you may know Robert is the co-founder of The People of Abraham, along with my self.

More than 28 million copies of a blatantly biased and anti-Islamic film called “Obsession” were distributed last week through more than 70 conservative newspapers across the nation. These newspapers are owned and operated by those who are identified as supporters of Israel, and Evangelical Christian groups. The funding to the distribution of the documentary has come from Clarion Fund Inc, a New York based group. Majority of donors are either Israelis or pro-Israeli businesses and individuals and right wing Christian evangelical groups.

The DVD was distributed in all those states where the Republican Party is struggling to retain the support of independent voters. The purpose is to create and maintain an environment of fear and hatred against Islam and Muslims. The goal of the distributors seems to ensure that Muslim Americans are seen as fifth columnist and suspect in the eyes of average Americans. This would mean that the doors of public institutions should remain closed to them and unless supported by the pro-Israeli groups and the Republicans, none of them should be trusted.

The documentary is nothing but unashamed propaganda probably compiled from the archives of the Israeli government.

Apparently, major evangelical groups and leaders including Peter Hagee, the guru of the Republican nominee McCain have given their blessings to the movie.

The movie is a major international enterprise, unmatched in the history of Islam and west relations. Not even during the crusades was the propaganda machinery mobilized so swiftly as it has been done now.

There are a few things that Muslim Americans can seriously work on to combat this misinformation.

1. A national summit of Muslim leaders to look at the issue and develop a unified and coordinated strategy. Muslim masses should become active and coordinate with their leaders to be proactive on this issue. (On October 10 and 11, the Las Vegas Islamic Society of Nevada is hosting its sixth annual Quran conference to be attended by many prominent Muslim leaders. This conference can devote a few session on developing a unified strategy.)

2. IslamiCity.com and many other Islamic websites have access to information about Islam and Muslim Americans they should plan to produce a documentary on Islam and Muslim-West Relations citing incidents of hatred against Islam and Muslims in recent times. They should prepare a budget for research and production and present it to the community and proceed with it on an emergency footing.

3. Muslim organizations should approach interfaith groups in their localities to develop a unified response to this challenge. Muslim community in those states where local newspapers distributed the DVDs should buy a full page of ad to introduce them to the general public.

4. Muslim Americans should offer their lives as living examples of peaceful and law abiding citizens. We are proud to say that thousands of Muslim medical professionals in the country are busy saving human lives of fellow Americans day in and day out and never do they deviate from their professional ethics. Thousands of engineers are involved in maintaining the essential infrastructure of the nation with full responsibility. Millions of workers are engaged in running the economy and contributing to its growth. Not only here in America, but all over the world, the Muslim communities are standing up against terror and injustices and for the rights of common people.

5. Muslim Americans should engage in public debates in the upcoming election. They should be visible in walks through neighborhood at precinct levels. They should speak up and take a stand against those who are perpetuating hatred against Islam. Moreover, they should remain alert about the Islamophobic campaigns going on in the country. They should know the background of all those who are hate mongers and they should be willing to expose them.

October

Wow ! it's October!! How did that happen?? I guess I've been busy. Oh well I never lost a whole month before!!!! And, I don't even drink!!

Actually it's been pretty qioet here at The peole of Abraham nobody has asked any questions this month and none of the listed contributors have made any posts.....Hmmmmm, gotta do something about that!!

I really think some times that people gather themselves in fits and starts and then that little thing called life intrudes on all of our plans....I know it does on mine.

I did link several new organizations this month and last month and they have been in touch via e mail with me and are following what we do and how we do it as once again we are a little different we're not run by clergy for clergy we are set up for just folks to come top and get information on how we CAN co-exist without killing one another for our different beliefs.

It does help that in the U.S.A. there are no territorial imperatives that have been breached and no real tribalistic influences except those that are brough here to be assimilated into our unique culture, as Americans first everything else second. At least that's how it's supposed to work!!

Be well I am off to go preach today and wish you a happy EID to share with our Muslim brothers and sisters............Rev. Bruce..................Tawodi

Ramadan

Today, or yesterday, depending on where you live in the world and the method of reckoning, it is the beginning of Ramadan.

To our Brothers and Sisters of Islam, Salaam Aliekum!! May this Holy season of rededication to Muslim, be fruitful for you.

May your observance bring you peace as you once again fast and move closer to The One God of Abraham, Lord of ALL, the benificent, The bringer of all things sweet, The bestower of blessings, beyond counting, of all of His creation.

The bringer among us, of all the prophets,(p.b.u.t.) to lead us to submission to His way.
The teachers of restoration, of relationship in submission to Allah, The most merciful.Peace be upon them all!

May He attend you in your reflections on how you can relate, May He grant you peace in your life, peace in your family, peace in your countries, peace in your soul, as you move toward rededication contemplating ALLAH (pbuH) in this Holy season for you as you submit once again to Allah.

This from your brothers and sisters of Judaism and your brothers and sisters of Christianity, helpers all.

Wa, Aliekum Salaam

Rev. Bruce Holzrichter Sr. The People of Abraham

A Brief Question and Not So Brief Answer

In a discussion of The People of Abraham I was asked this question.
" So, it's God, in the human conscience?"
MY ANSWER.

W.T.;

Very close, very, very, close.

Maybe though, it would be easier to think of it as the humanity of all of us.

All normal humans have a conscience. Some have had it warped by their cultures, that is correct.
But, aside from those, we have people who don't want to see their children burn, their cities reduced to ash, entire populations literally wafting through the stratosphere as radioactive dust.

During the cold war these were possibilities. They are more possible now, because we have some, who have been twisted to believe, their version of God will preserve them, and kill every body else.

Now comes the interesting part!! Some of these are Muslims, some are Jews, some are Christians, And some are unnamed and just as NUTS!!

So is it God, or spirit, in the conscience of human beings? Or is it just the desperate desire to see our children live?? The real promise, of any future at all, our children. We can see them, we can touch them, hear their cries of pain, as they hunger, thirst, suffer from fear, or lie screaming as they die.

Or we can come together in hope. Hope that none of these things need take place. Hope that we can see them grow,in safety. Hope that others can see, that whatever it takes, the insanity MUST stop!! The choice is ours, no matter how much somebody wants to shove away the responsibility, or hand it to somebody else, it is each of us that must stand, and choose.

Do we, and they, live?? Or do we, and they, die??

Sit back in self righteous glee as it all comes apart, and say, SEE I TOLD YOU!!! Or do what you can now, and if the balloon goes up, die, knowing at least you tried!!!

Choose well!!